And he, in turn, does not pity Clint but does recognize that he had an enormous amount of opportunity and privilege that Clint - and most people - do not.

"It was a slow entry and there was a lot of distance learning until about six months before I graduated, but I loved being around people who were more diverse. I still do. It's part of why I love teaching little kids." And people like Clint, when he can rope them in. People like Clint being people not like him.